5.0 Mustang vs LS2 Vette vs LS3 Vette
01-03-2011, 09:32 PM
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Team Owner
That kind of straight line performance along with decent handling/braking, backseats and good build quality all for under $31k (base price), it's a lot of car for the money. 
01-03-2011, 10:14 PM
#22
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You are right! I can only imagine what will happen when they remove weight from it. Ford should offer a strip down version. a modern day LX. No power windows, radio delete, manuel door locks, 16 inch wheels, but you gotta have air. That thing would fly!
01-03-2011, 10:20 PM
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Melting Slicks
Ford is coming out with a Boss 5.0 rated at 444 hp. Not sure what it will weigh but I know they are offering a rear seat delete.
01-03-2011, 10:54 PM
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The better 1/4 times are with the 3.73 ratio. Not available without the premium and track package. Close to $40000. I paid $43994 for a new 2008 2LT Vette with some options. Not as good of a deal now is it?
01-04-2011, 02:31 AM
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I had two LX 5.0s (and two SN95 GTs (one a 5.0L and one a 4.6L).And you're comparing a Mustang GT at MSRP to a Corvette with discounts/incentives/rebates, not exactly apples to apples now is it?
Of course the pricing is what it is and if a Corvette LS3 is actually that close in price to the Mustang GT then I too am buying the Vette every time as well.
I wouldn't be paying $40k for a Mustang GT, if I buy one it's going to be the absolute base of base models with one option (automatic trans) and if it can't be had for an even $30k or less then I won't buy it at all.
Love the new Boss 302 which will cost more for sure but it will also be a stellar performer overall.
01-04-2011, 06:07 AM
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01-04-2011, 06:08 AM
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Is the mustang available with a 4 speed auto or are they all 6?
01-04-2011, 07:25 AM
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Melting Slicks
01-04-2011, 07:32 AM
#30
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Kind of like why I preferred my Base Manual C6 to a Z51 manual, I crossed the traps in 3rd at 115.85
There is no way I would spend $40K for a Stang, mine was $31K, stickered for $34690.
I would love it, I had two LX 5.0s (and two SN95 GTs (one a 5.0L and one a 4.6L).
True, but the 3.31 and 3.55 geared manuals still move pretty damn well also. And of all of the 6 speed automatics (almost identical internal gearing as the Corvette's/Camaro SS's automatic) are pretty quick with their 3.15 rear as well.
And you're comparing a Mustang GT at MSRP to a Corvette with discounts/incentives/rebates, not exactly apples to apples now is it?
Of course the pricing is what it is and if a Corvette LS3 is actually that close in price to the Mustang GT then I too am buying the Vette every time as well.
I wouldn't be paying $40k for a Mustang GT, if I buy one it's going to be the absolute base of base models with one option (automatic trans) and if it can't be had for an even $30k or less then I won't buy it at all.
Love the new Boss 302 which will cost more for sure but it will also be a stellar performer overall.
True, it is coming and it will be fast.
I had two LX 5.0s (and two SN95 GTs (one a 5.0L and one a 4.6L).True, but the 3.31 and 3.55 geared manuals still move pretty damn well also. And of all of the 6 speed automatics (almost identical internal gearing as the Corvette's/Camaro SS's automatic) are pretty quick with their 3.15 rear as well.
And you're comparing a Mustang GT at MSRP to a Corvette with discounts/incentives/rebates, not exactly apples to apples now is it?
Of course the pricing is what it is and if a Corvette LS3 is actually that close in price to the Mustang GT then I too am buying the Vette every time as well.
I wouldn't be paying $40k for a Mustang GT, if I buy one it's going to be the absolute base of base models with one option (automatic trans) and if it can't be had for an even $30k or less then I won't buy it at all.
Love the new Boss 302 which will cost more for sure but it will also be a stellar performer overall.
True, it is coming and it will be fast.
I just saw that Dodge came out with a 470hp 6.4l hemi Challenger.
Dodge claims 12.4@110, Motor Trend ran it to 13.0@111.
01-04-2011, 07:50 AM
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There is no way I would spend $40K for a Stang, mine was $31K, stickered for $34690.
Don't go with cloth interior, the leather is worth the extra $$$.
I just saw that Dodge came out with a 470hp 6.4l hemi Challenger.
Dodge claims 12.4@110, Motor Trend ran it to 13.0@111.
Dodge claims 12.4@110, Motor Trend ran it to 13.0@111.
01-04-2011, 10:50 AM
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St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13
I do a back to back comarison....at least dyno wise.
2006 MN6 LS2 Corvette #2 blue lines
2011 MN6 5.0L Mustang #3 red lines
2010 MN6 LS3 Camaro #1 green lines
Of course none of that shows weight...but at least a good idea on a stock baseline HP to the tire number
2006 MN6 LS2 Corvette #2 blue lines
2011 MN6 5.0L Mustang #3 red lines
2010 MN6 LS3 Camaro #1 green lines
Of course none of that shows weight...but at least a good idea on a stock baseline HP to the tire number
01-04-2011, 11:42 AM
#33
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Looks like the 5.0 only has a power advantage over the LS2 above 6k rpm. If it wasn't for that mid range torque spike, it'd have no more torque, while less below 3500.
And it only matches the LS3 peak hp above about 6200 rpm (LS3 redline is 6500)
The LS3 torque is substantially better than the 5.0 across the entire rpm band.
And it only matches the LS3 peak hp above about 6200 rpm (LS3 redline is 6500)
The LS3 torque is substantially better than the 5.0 across the entire rpm band.
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01-04-2011, 12:05 PM
#34
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I'd like to take a 5.0 'stang for a spin one day, but there are a lot of intangibles beyond the hp of an engine.
willingness of an engine to change speed, mass of the rotational components like wheels and driveshaft mass. aerodynamics at 90 mph and beyond. Like it was mentioned- I paid $42k for my '08 coupe so a mustang would have to be about $10k less for me to be interested in it.
willingness of an engine to change speed, mass of the rotational components like wheels and driveshaft mass. aerodynamics at 90 mph and beyond. Like it was mentioned- I paid $42k for my '08 coupe so a mustang would have to be about $10k less for me to be interested in it.
01-04-2011, 12:22 PM
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Melting Slicks
They are more than $10K less. A manual including destination MSRP is $30,495, auto 31,490. With discounts even less. The pictures even show steering wheels controls that my 08 vette does not have.
01-04-2011, 01:49 PM
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I would love it, :yesnod: I had two LX 5.0s (and two SN95 GTs (one a 5.0L and one a 4.6L).
True, but the 3.31 and 3.55 geared manuals still move pretty damn well also. And of all of the 6 speed automatics (almost identical internal gearing as the Corvette's/Camaro SS's automatic) are pretty quick with their 3.15 rear as well.
And you're comparing a Mustang GT at MSRP to a Corvette with discounts/incentives/rebates, not exactly apples to apples now is it? ;)
Of course the pricing is what it is and if a Corvette LS3 is actually that close in price to the Mustang GT then I too am buying the Vette every time as well. :chevy
I wouldn't be paying $40k for a Mustang GT, if I buy one it's going to be the absolute base of base models with one option (automatic trans) and if it can't be had for an even $30k or less then I won't buy it at all.
Love the new Boss 302 which will cost more for sure but it will also be a stellar performer overall.
True, it is coming and it will be fast. :yesnod:
True, but the 3.31 and 3.55 geared manuals still move pretty damn well also. And of all of the 6 speed automatics (almost identical internal gearing as the Corvette's/Camaro SS's automatic) are pretty quick with their 3.15 rear as well.
And you're comparing a Mustang GT at MSRP to a Corvette with discounts/incentives/rebates, not exactly apples to apples now is it? ;)
Of course the pricing is what it is and if a Corvette LS3 is actually that close in price to the Mustang GT then I too am buying the Vette every time as well. :chevy
I wouldn't be paying $40k for a Mustang GT, if I buy one it's going to be the absolute base of base models with one option (automatic trans) and if it can't be had for an even $30k or less then I won't buy it at all.
Love the new Boss 302 which will cost more for sure but it will also be a stellar performer overall.
True, it is coming and it will be fast. :yesnod:
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01-04-2011, 01:56 PM
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I am happy, however, as a current Mustang owner, the new motor is what I wish I had in mine. I hear those motors are crazy expensive for what you get. No ability to increase displacement is one.
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01-04-2011, 02:45 PM
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Melting Slicks
I thought a comparison of 1/4 mile performance was our main topic. You don't want the Premium 5.0 or any of the other stuff that adds weight. Those huge door speakers and extra speakers have to add weight. Definitely don't need the heavy Brembos and 19" wheels/tires for 1/4 mile. The wheels and tires have to be replaced anyway for serious drag racing.
01-04-2011, 02:52 PM
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In south florida the new 5.0's are running 12.5-13.0 in stock trim depending on driver. With slicks, CAI and a tune they are busting out high 11's. Blow By Racing ran 11.7 to 12.2 with just that. Pretty impressive. But, they are not going for under 30k. Not if you want the track package.
They are not as bad as camaros in price for what you get, but they are getting up there. Almost to a point where you can get a used GT500 for the same price. That is a hard choice in itself.
They are not as bad as camaros in price for what you get, but they are getting up there. Almost to a point where you can get a used GT500 for the same price. That is a hard choice in itself.
01-04-2011, 03:21 PM
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True, you then have to buy a Corvette.
I thought a comparison of 1/4 mile performance was our main topic. You don't want the Premium 5.0 or any of the other stuff that adds weight. Those huge door speakers and extra speakers have to add weight. Definitely don't need the heavy Brembos and 19" wheels/tires for 1/4 mile. The wheels and tires have to be replaced anyway for serious drag racing.
I thought a comparison of 1/4 mile performance was our main topic. You don't want the Premium 5.0 or any of the other stuff that adds weight. Those huge door speakers and extra speakers have to add weight. Definitely don't need the heavy Brembos and 19" wheels/tires for 1/4 mile. The wheels and tires have to be replaced anyway for serious drag racing.
j/k
