DIY – Rear Axle / Differential oil change, with pics – for FAQ
09-12-2006, 02:57 AM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
DIY – Rear Axle / Differential oil change, with pics – for FAQ
DIY: Changing the oil in a base C6 rear axle / differential
If you are experiencing the common differential chatter noise on turns when cold (rubbing, scraping, clunking, grinding or chatter sound), changing the differential lubricant will rid the noise instantly, at least after doing a few figure 8's with the new lubricant in place.
For some, a simple differential lube change has proven to be the cure for many thousands of miles, and for others, it has only helped for just a few thousand miles. If you prefer to avoid the dealership and wish to take immediate action, change your differential fluid and you will get rid of the chatter noise for likely up to a few thousand miles minimum if not much more. It's a good first step in any case.
Overall, changing the oil in a base C6 rear axle / differential is very easy. If it’s your first time, this DIY article will at least give you an idea of what to expect.
This refers to base C6s only. Z06s have differential coolers (base C6's do not) and require a bit more effort. Z06s and export vehicles have different axle oil capacities than the base C6 as well.
First, run the car a while to get the axle oil warm. I ran my car about 40 miles. When I got back, the axle case was quite hot to the touch. 20 minutes after shutting off the engine, the mufflers were finally cool but the axle case was still hot. With this in mind, it is a good idea to wait about a half hour after shutting off the engine until the exhaust system cools down so you do not severely burn yourself… the axle and axle oil will still be very warm for good drainage.
You’ll need to get the car up off the ground a bit as in photos, but keep car LEVEL. First choice would be to use a real lift. Second choice, back the car up on Race Ramps and then jack the front end in order to level the car. Last choice (most laborious), jack the car from both front and rear.
Since you need to access the rear axle from the rear, you cannot block the rear with a jack. I had initially tried to use my 4-point jack system, but was not able to access the axle plugs with the rear jack and cross member adapter in the way. I had to add stands under the rear puck locations and then remove the rear jack and cross member adapter. I then added two extra screw jacks under the rear “preferred” jacking locations for extra support and safety. This worked out fine. But next time I think I’ll try backing up on ramps… would be easier.
The axle case has two plugs that must be removed… a fill plug and drain plug. The fill plug is on the rear vertical side of the case, the drain plug is on the bottom horizontal side of the case. Both plugs exist on the right half of the case (passenger side). Both plugs are identical in size / type.
Put some cardboard down on the floor and have some rags on hand as you will inevitably spill / splash some oil. Place a drain pan directly under the drain and fill plugs.
Clean the areas around both plugs. Using a 3/8” drive swivel arm socket wrench and 10mm allen socket of about 1 – ¾” total length (as shown), loosen and remove the fill plug. (Always remove the fill plug before removing the drain plug) There are different ways of accessing this plug but the photos show one method that seems to work well and is easy. Note in the photos that the socket wrench handle extends down through the middle of the aluminum cross member. Some oil may start to drip out. If the plug is very tight, use a piece of pipe over your socket handle for leverage. Both my plugs did not require much effort to loosen… pipe was not needed.
Next, loosen and remove the drain plug. The oil will come blasting out and may splash in the pan so shield your face. Allow the axle to drain for a while. Mine was still dripping 12 hours later.
Clean the drain plug and area around the drain hole and install drain plug. Torque to 35 Nm or 26 lb/ft. I chose to torque by hand… basically just got it nice and snug. Do not overtighten. You could get a torque wrench on the drain plug easily if you wanted, but not on the fill plug. If you are not sure about the torque “feel”, use a torque wrench on the drain plug in order to get a good “feel” for what it should be, then do your best to apply that same “feel” to the fill plug using your regular socket wrench.
Time to refill the axle:
IMPORTANT: Read the latest GM TSB regarding rear axle chatter to determine which GM gear oil / additive and amounts you should be using. This info has changed over the years and is subject to further periodic change. The latest axle TSB (as well as previous axle TSBs) can be found in post #2 of this thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...24&postcount=2
As of January 2008, the oil specified for use in the Corvette differential is Dextron LS Gear Oil 75W-90, part #88862624 (#88862625 in Canada). No additive is required or recommended – just add straight Dextron LS 75W-90 only.
Your C6 differential requires roughly 2 quarts (check manual and/or TSB for exact specs for your year / model). But be sure to have at least 3 quarts of oil handy since it is almost impossible to squeeze all the oil out of the bottles into the axle, plus you’ll likely spill some anyway.
Since you will not be able to get the oil bottles higher than the fill hole, you must pump or squeeze the oil up into the hole.
The GM oil bottles come with extra pointed nozzle caps and a short piece of clear tubing. I found this set up to be too short and too small a diameter, plus after a while the nozzle gets oily and the hose starts slipping off the nozzle no matter what you do. One solution is to buy an aftermarket fill tube at the local auto store. The product I found (at Pep Boys) is made by Hopkins Manufacturing, called a “FloTool”… it threads right onto the GM oil bottles and has a 12” long section of clear tubing attached… twice as long and larger diameter than what you get with the GM oil bottle. This FloTool fit really nice and made the oil fill a breeze.
Insert the tubing into the fill hole of the axle holding the gear oil bottle up between the mufflers and squeeze the bottle. You will see the oil flow through the tube and into the axle. One headache though is that you can only get about half or two thirds the contents of the bottle into the axle even if you squeeze / crush the bottle as hard as you can… so you need to refill the bottle and repeat. This is the main reason to have at least one extra bottle of gear oil on hand. I guess you’d need a pump of some type to really empty the entire bottle into the axle... but not necessary because whatever oil does not make it into the axle can be saved for the next fluid change.
Note: I am holding the bottle upside down in the photo – was just posing in that shot – bottle nozzle should be as low as you can get it with relation to the rest of the bottle.
Add oil to the differential until oil starts dripping out of the axle oil fill hole. Then allow the oil to drip out for a bit to make sure the axle is not overfull. Again, it's important that the car is level. Reinstall fill plug.
Once everything is buttoned up, it is recommended (per TSB) to run the car in a tight "figure 8" pattern about 8 or 10 times as soon as you possibly can after the oil swap. Many consider this an important step so do not overlook it.
Thanks to the forum and its members for much of the info in this DIY post!
Note: I was just alerted by member Paulct that the axle drain plug on 2005 models (at least on his 2005) sits above the leaf spring so that you cannot get an allen wrench straight in from below. The spring is in the way. An L-shaped allen wrench tool must be used so that it can be pivoted above the leaf spring. On my 2006 model, the spring is NOT in the way of the plug and you can easily get an allen socket straight into the plug from below. (see photos below) So if you have an `06 or newer C6, you will only need a good allen socket and socket wrench to do the entire job. If you have an `05 model, you will ALSO need an L-shaped allen tool and most likely a short piece of small diameter pipe for extra leverage on the L-shaped wrench. Thanks Paulct for the below "2005" photos.
We suspect this difference in drain plug position has to do with the differential case change between 2005 and 2006. For more info regarding differential differences between `05 and `06 models, click below link:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...9&forum_id=101
If you are experiencing the common differential chatter noise on turns when cold (rubbing, scraping, clunking, grinding or chatter sound), changing the differential lubricant will rid the noise instantly, at least after doing a few figure 8's with the new lubricant in place.
For some, a simple differential lube change has proven to be the cure for many thousands of miles, and for others, it has only helped for just a few thousand miles. If you prefer to avoid the dealership and wish to take immediate action, change your differential fluid and you will get rid of the chatter noise for likely up to a few thousand miles minimum if not much more. It's a good first step in any case.
Overall, changing the oil in a base C6 rear axle / differential is very easy. If it’s your first time, this DIY article will at least give you an idea of what to expect.
This refers to base C6s only. Z06s have differential coolers (base C6's do not) and require a bit more effort. Z06s and export vehicles have different axle oil capacities than the base C6 as well.
First, run the car a while to get the axle oil warm. I ran my car about 40 miles. When I got back, the axle case was quite hot to the touch. 20 minutes after shutting off the engine, the mufflers were finally cool but the axle case was still hot. With this in mind, it is a good idea to wait about a half hour after shutting off the engine until the exhaust system cools down so you do not severely burn yourself… the axle and axle oil will still be very warm for good drainage.
You’ll need to get the car up off the ground a bit as in photos, but keep car LEVEL. First choice would be to use a real lift. Second choice, back the car up on Race Ramps and then jack the front end in order to level the car. Last choice (most laborious), jack the car from both front and rear.
Since you need to access the rear axle from the rear, you cannot block the rear with a jack. I had initially tried to use my 4-point jack system, but was not able to access the axle plugs with the rear jack and cross member adapter in the way. I had to add stands under the rear puck locations and then remove the rear jack and cross member adapter. I then added two extra screw jacks under the rear “preferred” jacking locations for extra support and safety. This worked out fine. But next time I think I’ll try backing up on ramps… would be easier.
The axle case has two plugs that must be removed… a fill plug and drain plug. The fill plug is on the rear vertical side of the case, the drain plug is on the bottom horizontal side of the case. Both plugs exist on the right half of the case (passenger side). Both plugs are identical in size / type.
Put some cardboard down on the floor and have some rags on hand as you will inevitably spill / splash some oil. Place a drain pan directly under the drain and fill plugs.
Clean the areas around both plugs. Using a 3/8” drive swivel arm socket wrench and 10mm allen socket of about 1 – ¾” total length (as shown), loosen and remove the fill plug. (Always remove the fill plug before removing the drain plug) There are different ways of accessing this plug but the photos show one method that seems to work well and is easy. Note in the photos that the socket wrench handle extends down through the middle of the aluminum cross member. Some oil may start to drip out. If the plug is very tight, use a piece of pipe over your socket handle for leverage. Both my plugs did not require much effort to loosen… pipe was not needed.
Next, loosen and remove the drain plug. The oil will come blasting out and may splash in the pan so shield your face. Allow the axle to drain for a while. Mine was still dripping 12 hours later.
Clean the drain plug and area around the drain hole and install drain plug. Torque to 35 Nm or 26 lb/ft. I chose to torque by hand… basically just got it nice and snug. Do not overtighten. You could get a torque wrench on the drain plug easily if you wanted, but not on the fill plug. If you are not sure about the torque “feel”, use a torque wrench on the drain plug in order to get a good “feel” for what it should be, then do your best to apply that same “feel” to the fill plug using your regular socket wrench.
Time to refill the axle:
IMPORTANT: Read the latest GM TSB regarding rear axle chatter to determine which GM gear oil / additive and amounts you should be using. This info has changed over the years and is subject to further periodic change. The latest axle TSB (as well as previous axle TSBs) can be found in post #2 of this thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...24&postcount=2
As of January 2008, the oil specified for use in the Corvette differential is Dextron LS Gear Oil 75W-90, part #88862624 (#88862625 in Canada). No additive is required or recommended – just add straight Dextron LS 75W-90 only.
Your C6 differential requires roughly 2 quarts (check manual and/or TSB for exact specs for your year / model). But be sure to have at least 3 quarts of oil handy since it is almost impossible to squeeze all the oil out of the bottles into the axle, plus you’ll likely spill some anyway.
Since you will not be able to get the oil bottles higher than the fill hole, you must pump or squeeze the oil up into the hole.
The GM oil bottles come with extra pointed nozzle caps and a short piece of clear tubing. I found this set up to be too short and too small a diameter, plus after a while the nozzle gets oily and the hose starts slipping off the nozzle no matter what you do. One solution is to buy an aftermarket fill tube at the local auto store. The product I found (at Pep Boys) is made by Hopkins Manufacturing, called a “FloTool”… it threads right onto the GM oil bottles and has a 12” long section of clear tubing attached… twice as long and larger diameter than what you get with the GM oil bottle. This FloTool fit really nice and made the oil fill a breeze.
Insert the tubing into the fill hole of the axle holding the gear oil bottle up between the mufflers and squeeze the bottle. You will see the oil flow through the tube and into the axle. One headache though is that you can only get about half or two thirds the contents of the bottle into the axle even if you squeeze / crush the bottle as hard as you can… so you need to refill the bottle and repeat. This is the main reason to have at least one extra bottle of gear oil on hand. I guess you’d need a pump of some type to really empty the entire bottle into the axle... but not necessary because whatever oil does not make it into the axle can be saved for the next fluid change.
Note: I am holding the bottle upside down in the photo – was just posing in that shot – bottle nozzle should be as low as you can get it with relation to the rest of the bottle.
Add oil to the differential until oil starts dripping out of the axle oil fill hole. Then allow the oil to drip out for a bit to make sure the axle is not overfull. Again, it's important that the car is level. Reinstall fill plug.
Once everything is buttoned up, it is recommended (per TSB) to run the car in a tight "figure 8" pattern about 8 or 10 times as soon as you possibly can after the oil swap. Many consider this an important step so do not overlook it.
Thanks to the forum and its members for much of the info in this DIY post!
Note: I was just alerted by member Paulct that the axle drain plug on 2005 models (at least on his 2005) sits above the leaf spring so that you cannot get an allen wrench straight in from below. The spring is in the way. An L-shaped allen wrench tool must be used so that it can be pivoted above the leaf spring. On my 2006 model, the spring is NOT in the way of the plug and you can easily get an allen socket straight into the plug from below. (see photos below) So if you have an `06 or newer C6, you will only need a good allen socket and socket wrench to do the entire job. If you have an `05 model, you will ALSO need an L-shaped allen tool and most likely a short piece of small diameter pipe for extra leverage on the L-shaped wrench. Thanks Paulct for the below "2005" photos.
We suspect this difference in drain plug position has to do with the differential case change between 2005 and 2006. For more info regarding differential differences between `05 and `06 models, click below link:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...9&forum_id=101
Last edited by Vet; 07-23-2008 at 10:59 AM.
09-12-2006, 02:59 AM
#2
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Latest axle chatter TSB (thanks to member, calemasters):
Date: 01-09-2008
TSB: #07-04-20-002A
Document ID# 2048181
2005 - 2008 Chevrolet Corvette
Subject: Rear Axle Clunk and/or Chatter Type Noise on Turns
(Drain/Refill Rear Differential Fluid) #07-04-20-002A - (01/09/2008)
Models: 2004-2008 Cadillac XLR (Including V-Series and Export)
2005-2008 Chevrolet Corvette (Including Z06 and Export)
This bulletin is being revised to change the fluid recommendation and to remove the requirement of adding friction modifier. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-04-20-002 (Section 04 -- Driveline/Axle).
Condition:
Some customers may comment on a clunk and/or chatter type noise from the rear of the vehicle while making turns.
Cause:
This condition may be caused by slip/stick of the posi-traction clutch plates due to insufficient limited-slip axle additive. As plates slip and stick, a jumping or jerking feel occurs accompanied by a clunk noise.
Correction:
Important: DO NOT remove the differential cover from the rear or the two sides. It is not necessary to flush the old fluid from the differential.
Drain and refill the rear differential fluid using the procedure listed below.
Draining Procedure:
Raise and support the vehicle. Clean any dirt from around the differential drain plug. If not equipped with a differential cooler, remove the drain plug (1) and washer (2) from the differential.
If equipped with a differential cooler: 4.1. Using a bent tip screwdriver, remove the quick connect fitting retaining ring (3) from the quick connect fitting (4) and discard the retaining ring.
4.2. Remove the differential cooler inlet pipe from the differential nut.
Drain the fluid.
Filling Procedure:
If not equipped with a differential cooler, install the drain plug (1) and washer (2) to the differential. Tighten the differential drain plug to 35 N•m (26 lb ft).
If equipped with a differential cooler: 2.1. Install a new retaining ring.
2.2. Connect the differential cooler pump inlet pipe (2) to the differential. A distinct snap should be heard or felt when assembling the cooler pipe to the fitting.
2.3. To ensure the cooler line is properly installed, give the cooler pipe a gentle pull.
Clean any dirt from around the differential fill plug. Remove the fill plug and washer from the differential.
Important: DO NOT add any limited-slip additive (friction modifier). With this new fluid (Dexron LS Gear Oil 75W-90) it is no longer required to add friction modifier. If friction modifier is added, it will cause the fluid to lose some of it's friction reducing properties as well as reducing seal life.
Fill the differential with the new DEXRON® LS gear oil, P/N 88862624 (Canadian P/N 88862625). Refer to the table listed below for lubrication specifications.
Check the fluid level to ensure it is even with the bottom of the fill plug hole to no lower than 6 mm (0.25 in) below the opening. Install the fill plug and washer to the differential. Tighten the differential fill plug to 35 N•m (26 lb ft).
Important: Steps 8-13 are for vehicles equipped with the differential cooling system. For vehicles not equipped with the cooling system, proceed to step 14.
Raise the vehicle so the wheels are about a foot off the floor. Make sure the wheels can spin freely without obstruction from the hoist or any nearby items. Start the vehicle and put the transmission in second gear. Slowly accelerate to 10 mph and hold this speed for one minute. Turn the vehicle off. Raise the vehicle. Check the fluid level in the differential. Add fluid until the recommended level is reached. Lower the vehicle.
Once the differential fluid has been changed, the vehicle must be driven in 8-10 tight figure eight maneuvers to heat the fluid and allow the fluid to be worked into the clutch plates.
Lubrication Specifications Application
2004-2005 XLR (Including Export) and 2005 Corvette (Non Export)
1.72 liters
1.85 quarts
2006-2008 XLR (Including V-Series and Export) and 2006-2008 Corvette (Non Z06)(Non Export)
2.0 liters
2.11 quarts
2005 Corvette Export
1.88 liters
1.99 quarts
2006-2008 Corvette Export (Non Z06)
2.16 liters
2.28 quarts
2006-2008 Corvette Z06
2.75 liters
2.91 quarts
Parts Information:
Description: DEXRON® LS Gear Oil
Part Numbers:
88862624 (US-1 Quart)
88862625 (Canada-1 Liter)
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation: F9709*
Description: Drain & Refill Rear Axle Fluid
Labor Time: 0.6 hr
* This is a unique labor operation number for bulletin use only. It will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
Document ID# 2048181
2005 Chevrolet Corvette
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Previous axle chatter TSB (thanks to member, 99ssconv):
Date: 4-16-2007
TSB: #07-04-20-002
Document ID# 1961528
Subject: Rear Axle Clunk and/or Chatter Type Noise on Turns (Drain/Refill Rear Differential Fluid and Add Specified Limited-Slip Axle Additive)
Models:
2004-2007 Cadillac XLR (Including V-Series and Export)
2005-2007 Chevrolet Corvette (Including Z06 and Export)
Condition:
Some customers may comment on a clunk and/or chatter type noise from the rear of the vehicle while making turns.
Cause:
This condition may be caused by slip/stick of the posi-traction clutch plates due to insufficient limited-slip axle additive. As plates slip and stick, a jumping or jerking feel occurs accompanied by a clunk noise.
Correction:
Important: DO NOT remove the differential cover from the rear or the two sides. It is not necessary to flush the old fluid from the differential.
Drain and refill the rear differential fluid using the procedure listed below. Add the increased amount of limited-slip axle additive specified below.
Raise and suitably support the vehicle.
Clean any dirt from around the differential drain plug.
Remove the drain plug and washer from the differential.
Drain the fluid.
Install the drain plug and washer to the differential.
Tighten the differential drain plug to 35 N·m (26 lb ft).
Clean any dirt from around the differential fill plug.
Remove the fill plug and washer from the differential.
Important: Prior to adding the limited-slip axle additive, the bottle MUST be shaken vigorously for at least 1 minute to mix the additive thoroughly, then immediately poured into the differential.
Add 237 ml (8.0 oz) limited-slip axle additive, P/N 1052358
(Canadian P/N 992694).
Fill the differential with synthetic axle lubricant, P/N 89021677
(Canadian P/N 89021678).
Check the fluid level to ensure it is even with the bottom of the fill plug hole to no lower than 6 mm (0.25 in) below the opening.
Install the fill plug and washer to the differential.
Tighten the differential fill plug to 35 N·m (26 lb ft).
Lower the vehicle.
Once the differential fluid has been changed, the vehicle must be driven in 8-10 tight figure eight maneuvers to heat the fluid and allow the additive to be worked into the clutch plates.
Part #: 89021677 (89021678 In Canada)
Description: Synthetic Axle Lubricant
Quantity: 2 (3 for Z06 and Export)
Part #: 1052358 (992694 In Canada)
Descrption: Limited-Slip Axle Additive
Quantity: 2
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation: F9709*
Description: Drain & Refill Rear Axle Fluid
Labor Time: 0.6 hr
*This is a unique labor operation number for bulletin use only. It will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
Document ID# 1961528
2006 Chevrolet Corvette
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Previous TSB - 12/06/06 (thanks to member, vetteshop):
Subject: Rear Axle Chatter Shudder On Turns - keywords bind differential #PIP3559F - (12/06/2006)
Models: 2004 - 2007 Cadillac XLR
2006-2007 Cadillac XLR-V
1999 - 2007 Chevrolet Corvette, Corvette Z06
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
Rear axle chatter or shudder on turns on Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR.
Recommendation/Instructions:
Flush and fill the rear axle with synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678) and appropriate amount of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 1: In some cases it has shown that a second flush procedure on a second repair visit will correct the chatter/shudder concern prior to replacement of the clutch packs.
Note 2: To properly flush the rear differential remove the left differential cover and get all of the old fluid out off the differential, wipe out the residue replace the cover o-ring and then reinstall the cover and fill with the appropriate amount of fluid and friction modifier additive.
If the complaint or the condition persists after the flush and fill, replace the right and left rear axle clutch packs following published service procedures.
After clutch pack replacement use synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678). and the appropriate amount of friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 3: PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE FRICTION MODIFIER ADDITIVE FOR EITHER OF THE ABOVE REPAIRS THE BOTTLE MUST BE SHAKEN VIGOROUSLY FOR AT LEAST 1 MINUTE TO MIX THE ADDITIVE THOROUGHLY.
Once the axle fluid has been changed the car must be driven in 8 - 10 SLOW figure eights to work the fluid between the clutch plates.
Fluid capacity:
Model Year
Model
Differential Lube
Friction Modifier
1999-2005
Corvette ALL
1.69 qt (1.6L)
4 oz. (118 ml)
2006-2007
Base Corvette
1.95 qt (1.85L)
5 oz. (148 ml)
2006-2007
Corvette Z06
2.70 qt (2.55L)
6.4 oz. (190 ml)
Note 4: Export vehicles use 2.01 l (2.12 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678) and approximately 150 ml (5.1 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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Previous TSB - 10/13/06
Subject: Rear Axle Chatter Shudder On Turns - keywords bind differential
#PIP3559C - (10/13/2006)
Document ID# 1866944
2006 Chevrolet Corvette
2004 - 2007 Cadillac XLR
2006 - 2007 Cadillac XLR-V
1999 - 2007 Chevrolet Corvette, Corvette Z06
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern: Rear axle chatter or shudder on turns on Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If this is the first complaint for this condition flush and fill the rear axle with synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (P/N 12378261 has been replaced with P/N 89021677), (Canadian P/N 10953455) and appropriate amount of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 1: To properly flush the rear differential remove the cover and get all of the old fluid out off the differential, wipe out the residue and then reinstall the cover and replace the fluid and additive.
If this is a repeat complaint or the condition persists after the flush and fill, replace the right and left rear axle clutch packs following published service procedures.
After clutch pack replacement use synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455). and the appropriate amount of friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 2: PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE FRICTION MODIFIER ADDITIVE FOR EITHER OF THE ABOVE REPAIRS THE BOTTLE MUST BE SHAKEN VIGOROUSLY FOR AT LEAST 1 MINUTE TO MIX THE ADDITIVE THOROUGHLY.
Once the axle fluid has been changed the car must be driven in 8 - 10 SLOW figure eights to work the fluid between the clutch plates.
Fluid capacity:
1999-2005
Corvette ALL
Differential Lube: 1.69 qt (1.6L)
Friction Modifier: 4 oz. (118 ml)
2006-2007
Base Corvette
Differential Lube: 1.95 qt (1.85L)
Friction Modifier: 5 oz. (148 ml)
2006-2007
Corvette Z06
Differential Lube: 2.70 qt (2.55L)
Friction Modifier: 6.4 oz. (190 ml)
Note 3: Export vehicles use 2.01 l (2.12 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455) and approximately 150 ml (5.1 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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Previous axle chatter TSB: 9/08/06
Subject: Rear Axle Chatter Shudder on Turns - keywords bind differential #PIP3559A - (09/08/2006)
Models: 1999-2007 Chevrolet Corvette
2004-2006 Cadillac XLR
2006-2007 Cadillac XLR-V
This PI is being superseded to update recommendations, models and years.
Please discard PIP3559.
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
Rear axle chatter or shudder on turns on Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If this is the first complaint for this condition flush and fill the rear axle with mineral based lubricant P/N 89021669 (in Canada 89021670) gear lube and 4 ounces of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694).
If this is a repeat complaint or the condition persists after the flush and fill, replace the right and left rear axle clutch packs following published service procedures.
After clutch pack replacement use 1.6 l (1.69 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455). and 4 ounces of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694).
Note: 2006 Z06 equipped vehicles require 2.55 l (2.70 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455) and approximately 190 ml (6.4 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Note 2: Export vehicles use 2.01 l (2.12 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455) and approximately 150 ml (5.1 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Once the axle fluid has been changed the car must be driven in 8 - 10 SLOW figure eights to work the fluid between the clutch plates.
Note 3: PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE FRICTION MODIFIER ADDITIVE FOR EITHER OF THE ABOVE REPAIRS THE BOTTLE MUST BE SHAKEN VIGOROUSLY FOR AT LEAST 1 MINUTE TO MIX THE ADDITIVE THOROUGHLY.
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Date: 01-09-2008
TSB: #07-04-20-002A
Document ID# 2048181
2005 - 2008 Chevrolet Corvette
Subject: Rear Axle Clunk and/or Chatter Type Noise on Turns
(Drain/Refill Rear Differential Fluid) #07-04-20-002A - (01/09/2008)
Models: 2004-2008 Cadillac XLR (Including V-Series and Export)
2005-2008 Chevrolet Corvette (Including Z06 and Export)
This bulletin is being revised to change the fluid recommendation and to remove the requirement of adding friction modifier. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-04-20-002 (Section 04 -- Driveline/Axle).
Condition:
Some customers may comment on a clunk and/or chatter type noise from the rear of the vehicle while making turns.
Cause:
This condition may be caused by slip/stick of the posi-traction clutch plates due to insufficient limited-slip axle additive. As plates slip and stick, a jumping or jerking feel occurs accompanied by a clunk noise.
Correction:
Important: DO NOT remove the differential cover from the rear or the two sides. It is not necessary to flush the old fluid from the differential.
Drain and refill the rear differential fluid using the procedure listed below.
Draining Procedure:
Raise and support the vehicle. Clean any dirt from around the differential drain plug. If not equipped with a differential cooler, remove the drain plug (1) and washer (2) from the differential.
If equipped with a differential cooler: 4.1. Using a bent tip screwdriver, remove the quick connect fitting retaining ring (3) from the quick connect fitting (4) and discard the retaining ring.
4.2. Remove the differential cooler inlet pipe from the differential nut.
Drain the fluid.
Filling Procedure:
If not equipped with a differential cooler, install the drain plug (1) and washer (2) to the differential. Tighten the differential drain plug to 35 N•m (26 lb ft).
If equipped with a differential cooler: 2.1. Install a new retaining ring.
2.2. Connect the differential cooler pump inlet pipe (2) to the differential. A distinct snap should be heard or felt when assembling the cooler pipe to the fitting.
2.3. To ensure the cooler line is properly installed, give the cooler pipe a gentle pull.
Clean any dirt from around the differential fill plug. Remove the fill plug and washer from the differential.
Important: DO NOT add any limited-slip additive (friction modifier). With this new fluid (Dexron LS Gear Oil 75W-90) it is no longer required to add friction modifier. If friction modifier is added, it will cause the fluid to lose some of it's friction reducing properties as well as reducing seal life.
Fill the differential with the new DEXRON® LS gear oil, P/N 88862624 (Canadian P/N 88862625). Refer to the table listed below for lubrication specifications.
Check the fluid level to ensure it is even with the bottom of the fill plug hole to no lower than 6 mm (0.25 in) below the opening. Install the fill plug and washer to the differential. Tighten the differential fill plug to 35 N•m (26 lb ft).
Important: Steps 8-13 are for vehicles equipped with the differential cooling system. For vehicles not equipped with the cooling system, proceed to step 14.
Raise the vehicle so the wheels are about a foot off the floor. Make sure the wheels can spin freely without obstruction from the hoist or any nearby items. Start the vehicle and put the transmission in second gear. Slowly accelerate to 10 mph and hold this speed for one minute. Turn the vehicle off. Raise the vehicle. Check the fluid level in the differential. Add fluid until the recommended level is reached. Lower the vehicle.
Once the differential fluid has been changed, the vehicle must be driven in 8-10 tight figure eight maneuvers to heat the fluid and allow the fluid to be worked into the clutch plates.
Lubrication Specifications Application
2004-2005 XLR (Including Export) and 2005 Corvette (Non Export)
1.72 liters
1.85 quarts
2006-2008 XLR (Including V-Series and Export) and 2006-2008 Corvette (Non Z06)(Non Export)
2.0 liters
2.11 quarts
2005 Corvette Export
1.88 liters
1.99 quarts
2006-2008 Corvette Export (Non Z06)
2.16 liters
2.28 quarts
2006-2008 Corvette Z06
2.75 liters
2.91 quarts
Parts Information:
Description: DEXRON® LS Gear Oil
Part Numbers:
88862624 (US-1 Quart)
88862625 (Canada-1 Liter)
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation: F9709*
Description: Drain & Refill Rear Axle Fluid
Labor Time: 0.6 hr
* This is a unique labor operation number for bulletin use only. It will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
Document ID# 2048181
2005 Chevrolet Corvette
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Previous axle chatter TSB (thanks to member, 99ssconv):
Date: 4-16-2007
TSB: #07-04-20-002
Document ID# 1961528
Subject: Rear Axle Clunk and/or Chatter Type Noise on Turns (Drain/Refill Rear Differential Fluid and Add Specified Limited-Slip Axle Additive)
Models:
2004-2007 Cadillac XLR (Including V-Series and Export)
2005-2007 Chevrolet Corvette (Including Z06 and Export)
Condition:
Some customers may comment on a clunk and/or chatter type noise from the rear of the vehicle while making turns.
Cause:
This condition may be caused by slip/stick of the posi-traction clutch plates due to insufficient limited-slip axle additive. As plates slip and stick, a jumping or jerking feel occurs accompanied by a clunk noise.
Correction:
Important: DO NOT remove the differential cover from the rear or the two sides. It is not necessary to flush the old fluid from the differential.
Drain and refill the rear differential fluid using the procedure listed below. Add the increased amount of limited-slip axle additive specified below.
Raise and suitably support the vehicle.
Clean any dirt from around the differential drain plug.
Remove the drain plug and washer from the differential.
Drain the fluid.
Install the drain plug and washer to the differential.
Tighten the differential drain plug to 35 N·m (26 lb ft).
Clean any dirt from around the differential fill plug.
Remove the fill plug and washer from the differential.
Important: Prior to adding the limited-slip axle additive, the bottle MUST be shaken vigorously for at least 1 minute to mix the additive thoroughly, then immediately poured into the differential.
Add 237 ml (8.0 oz) limited-slip axle additive, P/N 1052358
(Canadian P/N 992694).
Fill the differential with synthetic axle lubricant, P/N 89021677
(Canadian P/N 89021678).
Check the fluid level to ensure it is even with the bottom of the fill plug hole to no lower than 6 mm (0.25 in) below the opening.
Install the fill plug and washer to the differential.
Tighten the differential fill plug to 35 N·m (26 lb ft).
Lower the vehicle.
Once the differential fluid has been changed, the vehicle must be driven in 8-10 tight figure eight maneuvers to heat the fluid and allow the additive to be worked into the clutch plates.
Part #: 89021677 (89021678 In Canada)
Description: Synthetic Axle Lubricant
Quantity: 2 (3 for Z06 and Export)
Part #: 1052358 (992694 In Canada)
Descrption: Limited-Slip Axle Additive
Quantity: 2
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation: F9709*
Description: Drain & Refill Rear Axle Fluid
Labor Time: 0.6 hr
*This is a unique labor operation number for bulletin use only. It will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.
© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
Document ID# 1961528
2006 Chevrolet Corvette
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Previous TSB - 12/06/06 (thanks to member, vetteshop):
Subject: Rear Axle Chatter Shudder On Turns - keywords bind differential #PIP3559F - (12/06/2006)
Models: 2004 - 2007 Cadillac XLR
2006-2007 Cadillac XLR-V
1999 - 2007 Chevrolet Corvette, Corvette Z06
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
Rear axle chatter or shudder on turns on Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR.
Recommendation/Instructions:
Flush and fill the rear axle with synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678) and appropriate amount of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 1: In some cases it has shown that a second flush procedure on a second repair visit will correct the chatter/shudder concern prior to replacement of the clutch packs.
Note 2: To properly flush the rear differential remove the left differential cover and get all of the old fluid out off the differential, wipe out the residue replace the cover o-ring and then reinstall the cover and fill with the appropriate amount of fluid and friction modifier additive.
If the complaint or the condition persists after the flush and fill, replace the right and left rear axle clutch packs following published service procedures.
After clutch pack replacement use synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678). and the appropriate amount of friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 3: PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE FRICTION MODIFIER ADDITIVE FOR EITHER OF THE ABOVE REPAIRS THE BOTTLE MUST BE SHAKEN VIGOROUSLY FOR AT LEAST 1 MINUTE TO MIX THE ADDITIVE THOROUGHLY.
Once the axle fluid has been changed the car must be driven in 8 - 10 SLOW figure eights to work the fluid between the clutch plates.
Fluid capacity:
Model Year
Model
Differential Lube
Friction Modifier
1999-2005
Corvette ALL
1.69 qt (1.6L)
4 oz. (118 ml)
2006-2007
Base Corvette
1.95 qt (1.85L)
5 oz. (148 ml)
2006-2007
Corvette Z06
2.70 qt (2.55L)
6.4 oz. (190 ml)
Note 4: Export vehicles use 2.01 l (2.12 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 89021677 (Canadian P/N 89021678) and approximately 150 ml (5.1 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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Previous TSB - 10/13/06
Subject: Rear Axle Chatter Shudder On Turns - keywords bind differential
#PIP3559C - (10/13/2006)
Document ID# 1866944
2006 Chevrolet Corvette
2004 - 2007 Cadillac XLR
2006 - 2007 Cadillac XLR-V
1999 - 2007 Chevrolet Corvette, Corvette Z06
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern: Rear axle chatter or shudder on turns on Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If this is the first complaint for this condition flush and fill the rear axle with synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (P/N 12378261 has been replaced with P/N 89021677), (Canadian P/N 10953455) and appropriate amount of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 1: To properly flush the rear differential remove the cover and get all of the old fluid out off the differential, wipe out the residue and then reinstall the cover and replace the fluid and additive.
If this is a repeat complaint or the condition persists after the flush and fill, replace the right and left rear axle clutch packs following published service procedures.
After clutch pack replacement use synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455). and the appropriate amount of friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694). See fluid amounts listed below.
Note 2: PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE FRICTION MODIFIER ADDITIVE FOR EITHER OF THE ABOVE REPAIRS THE BOTTLE MUST BE SHAKEN VIGOROUSLY FOR AT LEAST 1 MINUTE TO MIX THE ADDITIVE THOROUGHLY.
Once the axle fluid has been changed the car must be driven in 8 - 10 SLOW figure eights to work the fluid between the clutch plates.
Fluid capacity:
1999-2005
Corvette ALL
Differential Lube: 1.69 qt (1.6L)
Friction Modifier: 4 oz. (118 ml)
2006-2007
Base Corvette
Differential Lube: 1.95 qt (1.85L)
Friction Modifier: 5 oz. (148 ml)
2006-2007
Corvette Z06
Differential Lube: 2.70 qt (2.55L)
Friction Modifier: 6.4 oz. (190 ml)
Note 3: Export vehicles use 2.01 l (2.12 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455) and approximately 150 ml (5.1 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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Previous axle chatter TSB: 9/08/06
Subject: Rear Axle Chatter Shudder on Turns - keywords bind differential #PIP3559A - (09/08/2006)
Models: 1999-2007 Chevrolet Corvette
2004-2006 Cadillac XLR
2006-2007 Cadillac XLR-V
This PI is being superseded to update recommendations, models and years.
Please discard PIP3559.
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
Rear axle chatter or shudder on turns on Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac XLR.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If this is the first complaint for this condition flush and fill the rear axle with mineral based lubricant P/N 89021669 (in Canada 89021670) gear lube and 4 ounces of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694).
If this is a repeat complaint or the condition persists after the flush and fill, replace the right and left rear axle clutch packs following published service procedures.
After clutch pack replacement use 1.6 l (1.69 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455). and 4 ounces of the friction modifier additive P/N 01052358 (in Canada 992694).
Note: 2006 Z06 equipped vehicles require 2.55 l (2.70 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455) and approximately 190 ml (6.4 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Note 2: Export vehicles use 2.01 l (2.12 qt) synthetic axle lubricant GM P/N 12378261 (Canadian P/N 10953455) and approximately 150 ml (5.1 oz) limited-slip differential lubricant additive GM P/N 1052358 (Canadian P/N 992694).
Once the axle fluid has been changed the car must be driven in 8 - 10 SLOW figure eights to work the fluid between the clutch plates.
Note 3: PRIOR TO INSTALLING THE FRICTION MODIFIER ADDITIVE FOR EITHER OF THE ABOVE REPAIRS THE BOTTLE MUST BE SHAKEN VIGOROUSLY FOR AT LEAST 1 MINUTE TO MIX THE ADDITIVE THOROUGHLY.
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09-12-2006, 03:00 AM
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A few other bits of interesting info:
*Member vetteshop stated: “…in the past,I have replaced a bunch of clutch packs in the C5's, they have the same issue. Upon inspection of the removed clutch packs, they do not fail, they look brand new with no evidence of wear or damage. The issue seems to be a varnish buildup on the plates that causes binding, resulting in the noise when turning. This is why replacing the fluid (with new additive) may only temporarily cure the problem. The problem is the design of the rear differential. Caprice's and Camaro's with posi rears have had the same issue for years. The difference on the Corvette is that there is not a cover that you can remove to clean the clutch packs, such as every other conventional posi rear end. The only way to clean the clutch packs is to remove the rear from the vehicle and completely disassemble it. One may as well install new clutch packs after going through all that trouble…”
*Member calemasters stated: “…Original axle clutch plates were fiber. New plates are carbon… I believe BG production changed to the carbon plates in late December of 2005… I spoke to one of the Getrag engineers (he used to be on this board) but he was not clear to why the grind chatter occurred with the fiber plates. Just that the carbon plates fix this condition… Time it takes to replace clutch packs: With Automatic Transmission, 7.2 hours; With Manual Transmission 6.7 hours ”
*Member jabbott of Rat Pack Motorsports stated: "These are some of the symptoms (chatter, etc) of a Posi Traction unit. Usually you can change the oil or add some slip additive and it will go away. Changing the clutches is not going to make a difference. There are only two ways to solve it (eliminate chatter) and they both require a lot of work if the oil is not doing the trick. You can have some of the carrier machined where the clutches go in, we do this to fine tune our race clutch setup but it could also be done for a street car to help with chatter. The second is we can install a torque biasing carrier which you would never have chatter again. Both of these are very expensive options, in the end the chatter is not going to hurt anything mechanically, it is more just an issue with the driver thinking something is wrong."
*Member shopdog stated: "To do any good, the additive has to be worked in to the clutch packs. Since the diff is a splash system, it is sometimes hard for the slickum to find its way into the clutch packs before it settles out (isn't miscible in the diff oil). That's why the TSB says to drive the car in figure 8s immediately after adding it. That makes the clutches slip, and lets some of the slickum slip into the clutches too. I have a suspicion that not all of the cars at the factory get driven that way right after the diff fluid is added. Anyway, a few ounces more additive in the differential won't hurt anything. I wouldn't suggest putting 5 pints of additive in, but an extra 4 ounces is cool."
*Member shopdog stated: "You need to realize that the differential is a splash lubrication system. If the car sits for several days without being driven, the lube drains out of the clutches. Then when you first drive it again, the clutches are working dry until enough lube works its way back up there to relube the clutches. This causes uneven wear of the clutches, and after doing this enough times, you get chatter..."
*Member mbonness posted these interesting polls regarding axle chatter:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...ight=axle+poll
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1516122
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1525645
*Here's a post by a member with continuing noise issues even after clutch pack and fluid changes:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1558897
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*Member vetteshop stated: “…in the past,I have replaced a bunch of clutch packs in the C5's, they have the same issue. Upon inspection of the removed clutch packs, they do not fail, they look brand new with no evidence of wear or damage. The issue seems to be a varnish buildup on the plates that causes binding, resulting in the noise when turning. This is why replacing the fluid (with new additive) may only temporarily cure the problem. The problem is the design of the rear differential. Caprice's and Camaro's with posi rears have had the same issue for years. The difference on the Corvette is that there is not a cover that you can remove to clean the clutch packs, such as every other conventional posi rear end. The only way to clean the clutch packs is to remove the rear from the vehicle and completely disassemble it. One may as well install new clutch packs after going through all that trouble…”
*Member calemasters stated: “…Original axle clutch plates were fiber. New plates are carbon… I believe BG production changed to the carbon plates in late December of 2005… I spoke to one of the Getrag engineers (he used to be on this board) but he was not clear to why the grind chatter occurred with the fiber plates. Just that the carbon plates fix this condition… Time it takes to replace clutch packs: With Automatic Transmission, 7.2 hours; With Manual Transmission 6.7 hours ”
*Member jabbott of Rat Pack Motorsports stated: "These are some of the symptoms (chatter, etc) of a Posi Traction unit. Usually you can change the oil or add some slip additive and it will go away. Changing the clutches is not going to make a difference. There are only two ways to solve it (eliminate chatter) and they both require a lot of work if the oil is not doing the trick. You can have some of the carrier machined where the clutches go in, we do this to fine tune our race clutch setup but it could also be done for a street car to help with chatter. The second is we can install a torque biasing carrier which you would never have chatter again. Both of these are very expensive options, in the end the chatter is not going to hurt anything mechanically, it is more just an issue with the driver thinking something is wrong."
*Member shopdog stated: "To do any good, the additive has to be worked in to the clutch packs. Since the diff is a splash system, it is sometimes hard for the slickum to find its way into the clutch packs before it settles out (isn't miscible in the diff oil). That's why the TSB says to drive the car in figure 8s immediately after adding it. That makes the clutches slip, and lets some of the slickum slip into the clutches too. I have a suspicion that not all of the cars at the factory get driven that way right after the diff fluid is added. Anyway, a few ounces more additive in the differential won't hurt anything. I wouldn't suggest putting 5 pints of additive in, but an extra 4 ounces is cool."
*Member shopdog stated: "You need to realize that the differential is a splash lubrication system. If the car sits for several days without being driven, the lube drains out of the clutches. Then when you first drive it again, the clutches are working dry until enough lube works its way back up there to relube the clutches. This causes uneven wear of the clutches, and after doing this enough times, you get chatter..."
*Member mbonness posted these interesting polls regarding axle chatter:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...ight=axle+poll
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1516122
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1525645
*Here's a post by a member with continuing noise issues even after clutch pack and fluid changes:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1558897
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09-12-2006, 05:44 AM
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Thank you very much
You did a great job on the article. The fluid in the rear end needs to be changed because all new mechanical parts wear in and it is a good idea to get all those little metal particals out. Thanks again for all the info.
Great job!
09-12-2006, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Vet
A few other bits of interesting info:
Member vetteshop stated: “…in the past,I have replaced a bunch of clutch packs in the C5's, they have the same issue. Upon inspection of the removed clutch packs, they do not fail, they look brand new with no evidence of wear or damage. The issue seems to be a varnish buildup on the plates that causes binding, resulting in the noise when turning. This is why replacing the fluid (with new additive) may only temporarily cure the problem. The problem is the design of the rear differential. Caprice's and Camaro's with posi rears have had the same issue for years. The difference on the Corvette is that there is not a cover that you can remove to clean the clutch packs, such as every other conventional posi rear end. The only way to clean the clutch packs is to remove the rear from the vehicle and completely disassemble it. One may as well install new clutch packs after going through all that trouble…”
Member calemasters stated: “…Original axle clutch plates were fiber. New plates are carbon… I believe BG production changed to the Getrag differential with carbon plates in late December of 2005… I spoke to one of the Getrag engineers (he used to be on this board) but he was not clear to why the grind chatter occurred with the fiber plates. Just that the carbon plates fix this condition…”
Member vetteshop stated: “…in the past,I have replaced a bunch of clutch packs in the C5's, they have the same issue. Upon inspection of the removed clutch packs, they do not fail, they look brand new with no evidence of wear or damage. The issue seems to be a varnish buildup on the plates that causes binding, resulting in the noise when turning. This is why replacing the fluid (with new additive) may only temporarily cure the problem. The problem is the design of the rear differential. Caprice's and Camaro's with posi rears have had the same issue for years. The difference on the Corvette is that there is not a cover that you can remove to clean the clutch packs, such as every other conventional posi rear end. The only way to clean the clutch packs is to remove the rear from the vehicle and completely disassemble it. One may as well install new clutch packs after going through all that trouble…”
Member calemasters stated: “…Original axle clutch plates were fiber. New plates are carbon… I believe BG production changed to the Getrag differential with carbon plates in late December of 2005… I spoke to one of the Getrag engineers (he used to be on this board) but he was not clear to why the grind chatter occurred with the fiber plates. Just that the carbon plates fix this condition…”
09-12-2006, 04:37 PM
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Great write-up.
I have 2 questions:
Are the drain and fill plugs the same?
If so, are they the same as a C-5?
Reason is, I'm thinking of replacing the fill plug with a C-5 magnetic drain plug. Should catch the steel "dust" and allow removal without draining the diff.
I have 2 questions:
Are the drain and fill plugs the same?
If so, are they the same as a C-5?
Reason is, I'm thinking of replacing the fill plug with a C-5 magnetic drain plug. Should catch the steel "dust" and allow removal without draining the diff.
09-12-2006, 04:52 PM
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Both the drain and fill plugs use Torx bit sockets to loosen or tighten!!
In your article you mentioned Allen heads on the drain and fill plugs, they are actually Torx heads, probably a T-30 or T-40 size, and will require a set of Torx bit sockets in 3/8" rachet size. Hope this helps.
Most everything now uses Torx screws, bolts, plugs, etc.
Most everything now uses Torx screws, bolts, plugs, etc.
09-12-2006, 04:58 PM
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Unless I missed it, you did not mention to remove the FILL plug first.
Always remove fill caps/plugs first. If you ever drain something and cant get the fill cap off, you are pretty screwed.
Always remove fill caps/plugs first. If you ever drain something and cant get the fill cap off, you are pretty screwed.
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09-12-2006, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lytmup
Unless I missed it, you did not mention to remove the FILL plug first.
Always remove fill caps/plugs first. If you ever drain something and cant get the fill cap off, you are pretty screwed.
Always remove fill caps/plugs first. If you ever drain something and cant get the fill cap off, you are pretty screwed.
09-12-2006, 05:16 PM
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I'll address a few questions here:
Thanks! Both the drain and fill plugs are exactly the same on the C6. I have no idea whether or not they are the same as those on the C5, hopefully someone else can chime in and help you on that. I meant to measure the plug diameter and pitch when I had them out but I forgot... sorry! 
The plugs on my car are definitely allen, not torx. Take a look at the photos. It is very possible that some axles come with allen plugs and some with torx plugs... whatever they have on hand. I'm sure both exist and are common.
Indeed and agreed. Yes, if you follow the article from beginning to end you'll note that I say to remove the fill plug first. I guess I just forgot to explain why. Thanks!
Originally Posted by dave pawlowski
Great write-up. I have 2 questions: Are the drain and fill plugs the same? If so, are they the same as a C-5?...
Originally Posted by scottsdalevette
In your article you mentioned Allen heads on the drain and fill plugs, they are actually Torx heads...
Originally Posted by lytmup
Unless I missed it, you did not mention to remove the FILL plug first. Always remove fill caps/plugs first.
09-12-2006, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LS WON
Went underneath my 2005 C-6 and the rear end says "Getrag" on it.
My car was built in November `05 and I have the cold chatter problem... I guess I have the "old" fiber plates. I wonder if anyone with a car newer than December `05 has the chatter problem...?
09-12-2006, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Vet
My car was built in November `05 and I have the cold chatter problem... I guess I have the "old" fiber plates. I wonder if anyone with a car newer than December `05 has the chatter problem...?
09-12-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by scottsdalevette
In your article you mentioned Allen heads on the drain and fill plugs, they are actually Torx heads, probably a T-30 or T-40 size, and will require a set of Torx bit sockets in 3/8" rachet size. Hope this helps.
Most everything now uses Torx screws, bolts, plugs, etc.
Most everything now uses Torx screws, bolts, plugs, etc.
09-12-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JRVet
So what if we have the chatter and do nothing. Will it hurt anything either short or long term?
If the issue really is varnish on the plates, then it would make sense that the plates themselves may not get damaged for a long time if at all.
I wonder if by ignoring the issue for a while the noise would eventually happen full time as opposed to just a few minutes after a cold start. That would be a problem.
09-19-2006, 03:54 PM
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Quick update...
I changed the oil in my axle using the non-synthetic oil and additive as outlined in the TSB. Upon backing the car out of the garage right after the change, the noise was still there, but that makes sense since at that point the oil hadn't been worked into the clutches yet. I then drove the car for about 20 miles, including doing about eight figure-8s in a parking lot. Put car away.
Took the car out again a few days later... cold scrubbing noise completely gone.
I find it quite interesting that a mere oil change can have such an immediate effect on this problem.
I was planning on changing the oil one more time soon in the name of performing a true "flush".... with hopes of having the axle behave at least throughout the winter... so I don't need to crawl under the car in 20 degree weather.
Any theories on why a mere oil change instantly kills the noise? I had thought that maybe the fresh oil cleaned varnish off the plates... but you'd think it would take a while for that to happen if that was the case, not just 20 miles and a few figure 8s.
All the more reason to do a true flush, meaning changing the oil out two or maybe even three times. Because apparently, whatever was in that axle (the old synthetic oil itself, or varnish...???) was causing or greatly contributing to the noise, thus getting as much of it out as possible would be the best thing.
I took the car out yet again yesterday... no noise.
Thoughts?
I changed the oil in my axle using the non-synthetic oil and additive as outlined in the TSB. Upon backing the car out of the garage right after the change, the noise was still there, but that makes sense since at that point the oil hadn't been worked into the clutches yet. I then drove the car for about 20 miles, including doing about eight figure-8s in a parking lot. Put car away.
Took the car out again a few days later... cold scrubbing noise completely gone.
I find it quite interesting that a mere oil change can have such an immediate effect on this problem.
I was planning on changing the oil one more time soon in the name of performing a true "flush".... with hopes of having the axle behave at least throughout the winter... so I don't need to crawl under the car in 20 degree weather
.Any theories on why a mere oil change instantly kills the noise? I had thought that maybe the fresh oil cleaned varnish off the plates... but you'd think it would take a while for that to happen if that was the case, not just 20 miles and a few figure 8s.
All the more reason to do a true flush, meaning changing the oil out two or maybe even three times. Because apparently, whatever was in that axle (the old synthetic oil itself, or varnish...???) was causing or greatly contributing to the noise, thus getting as much of it out as possible would be the best thing.
I took the car out yet again yesterday... no noise.
Thoughts?