Trailing Throttle Oversteer at Monte Carlo's Schumacher turn
05-28-2007, 05:45 PM
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Trailing Throttle Oversteer at Monte Carlo's Schumacher turn
The moves Lewis Hamilton was making to carry speed around the
turn that Michael parked his car while qualifying in '06 were
something to behold.
I don't get out much so maybe setting the car up to oversteer
around perhaps the slowest corner on the circuit and then
use four-wheel drifts through it during competition is not
unheard of, but I haven't seen other drivers do it before.
Glad that Hamilton had the presence of mind to dial things
back toward the end and not risk a tangle with Alonso.
What of Ferrari? Even with MS on the radio, Massa winds
up 69 seconds behind Alonso who said later in the post-race
session: "I've never won with more than a minute to the
third guy (before),"
Kimi Raikkonen - the curse continues.
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turn that Michael parked his car while qualifying in '06 were
something to behold.
I don't get out much so maybe setting the car up to oversteer
around perhaps the slowest corner on the circuit and then
use four-wheel drifts through it during competition is not
unheard of, but I haven't seen other drivers do it before.
Glad that Hamilton had the presence of mind to dial things
back toward the end and not risk a tangle with Alonso.
What of Ferrari? Even with MS on the radio, Massa winds
up 69 seconds behind Alonso who said later in the post-race
session: "I've never won with more than a minute to the
third guy (before),"
Kimi Raikkonen - the curse continues.
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05-28-2007, 10:58 PM
#3
Le Mans Master
I loved the radio chatter between Scott Speed and his chief engineer:
SS: "The brakes are on the floor; they're on the floor all the time now."
CE: "Right, Scott, understand. Keep pushing, keep pushing."
Kimi Raikkonen - the curse continues.
Have a good one,
Mike
05-29-2007, 12:00 AM
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believe the car went kaput!
However, knowing this now, it provides further contrast. Mr. Hamilton
was seen to touch objects in his pursuit of Alonso before common
sense (or radioed threats of bodily harm) convinced him to pull up.
Asked in the post-race interview whether that incident had been
influential in his change of pace, he acknowledged it had been - then
he said that he touched many times. If this is true, his luck is apparently
better than KR's
The commentators remarked to the effect that Kimi's incident provides
further support for Jackie Stewart's position about KR's lack of commitment
& fitness?
Consider the sources (british tabloids) when reading
Jackie Stewart questions Raikkonen's F1 approach
Sir Jackie Stewart thinks Kimi Raikkonen is unlikely to achieve as much
in his formula one career as McLaren's 2007 rookie Lewis Hamilton. The
former triple world champion acknowledged Finn Raikkonen's natural
talent but questioned his focus. "The way he lives his life is contrary to
the complete package; the kind that allowed Schumacher to win
multiple championships, (as well as) Senna and Prost, Jim Clark or even
me," Stewart is quoted as saying by British newspaper The Telegraph.
In the Daily Express, Stewart reportedly added: "It is an attitude, a
mentality, a way of doing business. Our lifestyle, mind, make-up was
different from a Raikkonen -- or for that matter a Jenson Button.
"There are other things in Raikkonen's life he still wishes to carry on
doing," Stewart went on.
"He doesn't seem prepared to make the sacrifice of reducing the
lifestyle he has chosen because he enjoys it. He is not prepared to
compromise.
"That is why Hamilton has the opportunity to be dominant over time
and Raikkonen doesn't, unless something substantial changes."
In the Times, Stewart also accuses Ferrari's Raikkonen of
being "oblivious of social skills", while a cursory search for his name at
youtube.com shows the Finn falling off a yacht apparently drunk, and
telling a F1 reporter on live TV that he was "having a ****" while
Michael Schumacher was presented with a trophy by Pele in Brazil last
October.
Sir Jackie Stewart thinks Kimi Raikkonen is unlikely to achieve as much
in his formula one career as McLaren's 2007 rookie Lewis Hamilton. The
former triple world champion acknowledged Finn Raikkonen's natural
talent but questioned his focus. "The way he lives his life is contrary to
the complete package; the kind that allowed Schumacher to win
multiple championships, (as well as) Senna and Prost, Jim Clark or even
me," Stewart is quoted as saying by British newspaper The Telegraph.
In the Daily Express, Stewart reportedly added: "It is an attitude, a
mentality, a way of doing business. Our lifestyle, mind, make-up was
different from a Raikkonen -- or for that matter a Jenson Button.
"There are other things in Raikkonen's life he still wishes to carry on
doing," Stewart went on.
"He doesn't seem prepared to make the sacrifice of reducing the
lifestyle he has chosen because he enjoys it. He is not prepared to
compromise.
"That is why Hamilton has the opportunity to be dominant over time
and Raikkonen doesn't, unless something substantial changes."
In the Times, Stewart also accuses Ferrari's Raikkonen of
being "oblivious of social skills", while a cursory search for his name at
youtube.com shows the Finn falling off a yacht apparently drunk, and
telling a F1 reporter on live TV that he was "having a ****" while
Michael Schumacher was presented with a trophy by Pele in Brazil last
October.
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05-29-2007, 02:59 AM
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05-29-2007, 09:01 AM
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Great videos...without a doubt Hamilton seems to have great car control. And I agree that I don't recall seeing anyone else do this on the Monaco circuit.
05-29-2007, 09:30 AM
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"Sir" Jackie Stewart:
"He doesn't seem prepared to make the sacrifice of reducing the
lifestyle he has chosen because he enjoys it. He is not prepared to
compromise"
So ???
Maybe KR does NOT want to compormise, a year or two w/ Ferrari at 25-40M maybe all he's interested in right now ???
Has "Sir" Jackie so quickly forgotten his own failure w/ the Jaguar F1 team - maybe that was "lack of commitment".
While I'm no fan of the (sometime disrespectful) young crowd, an "old fart" like "Sir" Jackie should keep his opinions among the community, not air them in public.
"He doesn't seem prepared to make the sacrifice of reducing the
lifestyle he has chosen because he enjoys it. He is not prepared to
compromise"
So ???
Maybe KR does NOT want to compormise, a year or two w/ Ferrari at 25-40M maybe all he's interested in right now ???
Has "Sir" Jackie so quickly forgotten his own failure w/ the Jaguar F1 team - maybe that was "lack of commitment".
While I'm no fan of the (sometime disrespectful) young crowd, an "old fart" like "Sir" Jackie should keep his opinions among the community, not air them in public.
05-29-2007, 10:02 AM
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Driving tail out looks spectacular for sure. But anytime the rear tires are sliding or spinning (which they must be to be sliding) then the car will be slower than without spinning.
Hamilton for sure knew that he lost precious thousanths of a second when he slid the rear of the car.
I am not sure what he lost the pole by but I think I read somewhere that he admitted that he would have been faster had he not "slipped the rear" in qualifying.
Having said that, he is great to watch. I also think that Rosberg will be the next Ferrari driver when they get rid of Kimi. Nico Rosberg does more with the williams than anyone could expect out of it.
Kimi is a drunk and he is trading away his chance to be great for some vodka.
F1 after Schumacher is not as much fun for me but it is still the top of the sport and I love watching it.
My first F1 race that I went to was in the late 60's at Watkins Glen. I was a snot nose kid and hitch hiked to the Glen and jumped the fence. The Ferrari team worked on their car at a local Texaco Garage then towed the car up to the track for the day's activities. I only wish they had the kind of cameras that we have now, so I could have recorded some of it.
I saw Mario run the Ferarri there, and at Mosport the year when Nick Lauda won the Championship by 1/2 point. F1 under Eckelstone has gone from "club racing" to 500 million dollar budgets.
I do wonder what it will be like in 30 years? (and what will the Corvette be like in 30)
thanks
Lou G
Hamilton for sure knew that he lost precious thousanths of a second when he slid the rear of the car.
I am not sure what he lost the pole by but I think I read somewhere that he admitted that he would have been faster had he not "slipped the rear" in qualifying.
Having said that, he is great to watch. I also think that Rosberg will be the next Ferrari driver when they get rid of Kimi. Nico Rosberg does more with the williams than anyone could expect out of it.
Kimi is a drunk and he is trading away his chance to be great for some vodka.
F1 after Schumacher is not as much fun for me but it is still the top of the sport and I love watching it.
My first F1 race that I went to was in the late 60's at Watkins Glen. I was a snot nose kid and hitch hiked to the Glen and jumped the fence. The Ferrari team worked on their car at a local Texaco Garage then towed the car up to the track for the day's activities. I only wish they had the kind of cameras that we have now, so I could have recorded some of it.
I saw Mario run the Ferarri there, and at Mosport the year when Nick Lauda won the Championship by 1/2 point. F1 under Eckelstone has gone from "club racing" to 500 million dollar budgets.
I do wonder what it will be like in 30 years? (and what will the Corvette be like in 30)
thanks
Lou G
05-29-2007, 01:51 PM
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FIA probe McLaren team orders in Monaco
Hamilton said after the race he was surprised by the team's decision
to bring him into the pits on lap 29 given that he started the race with
a heavier fuel load than Alonso.
"I was fuelled to go five or six laps longer than Fernando, and they
stopped me after only three laps," he said. "That's unfortunate, but
that's the way it goes. I am looking forward to speaking to my
engineers because I thought we were going to run shorter in the
second stint and we didn't."
"I caught Fernando but it is extremely difficult to overtake here and I
was told over the radio to take it easy.
"At the end of the day, I am a rookie. I am in my first season in Formula
One and I have finished second in only my first Monaco Grand Prix so I
really can't complain, but to see that I am of a similar pace to Fernando
is a positive for me. But it is something I have to live with. I've got
number two on my car. I am the number two driver."
to bring him into the pits on lap 29 given that he started the race with
a heavier fuel load than Alonso.
"I was fuelled to go five or six laps longer than Fernando, and they
stopped me after only three laps," he said. "That's unfortunate, but
that's the way it goes. I am looking forward to speaking to my
engineers because I thought we were going to run shorter in the
second stint and we didn't."
"I caught Fernando but it is extremely difficult to overtake here and I
was told over the radio to take it easy.
"At the end of the day, I am a rookie. I am in my first season in Formula
One and I have finished second in only my first Monaco Grand Prix so I
really can't complain, but to see that I am of a similar pace to Fernando
is a positive for me. But it is something I have to live with. I've got
number two on my car. I am the number two driver."
05-29-2007, 02:06 PM
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It is interesting that he can powerslide it with traction control. It must be a pretty sophisticated system.
http://www.formula1.com/insight/tech...fo/11/462.html
http://www.formula1.com/insight/tech...fo/11/462.html
05-29-2007, 02:46 PM
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at either end around an open turn, attempting to slow or accelerate
the car without other input.
But does it still hold when the vehicle approaches a turn at a higher
speed than the tires can negotiate and is intentionally slid into
the kerbing in a manner that arrests the slide and positions the car
for immediate acceleration up the following stretch?
I don't know the physics but it seems that ricocheting would permit
more velocity and a tighter turn than would otherwise be possible,
up to the limits of the suspension's ability to withstand the abuse.
Billiards for motorsports, as it were.
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