Vettes on the Rockies
 

The 39th Annual Vettes on the Rockies will be held August 9 - 12 in Winter Park, Colorado. This is a NEW VENUE for VOTR and there are a number of changes to the event this year including the addtion of a wine tasting and moving the Show N Shine to Saturday. Additionally, the change to Winter Park has enabled a much larger selection of lodging options.

Come join us for lots of fun in the Rocky Mountains with lots of fellow Corvette owners from accross the country.

Please check our website for regular updates and detailed information:
www.lgcacorvette.org

it will never be the same without Frisco....

Certainly not the same but we think better in several ways. Winter Park is really a great venue.
Big change for local folks (Denver) is the Show N Shine on Saturday so the trip back down the mountain should be easier than those Sunday drives headed to Denver on I-70.

Hope you can make it and check it out.

i will be camping and ATV riding outside of Frisco that weekend, usually come down for the show when we are camping. vor and Frisco is kind of like hot dogs and baseball, they just seem to go together traditionally. going to have to pass on this years vor...

We plan on attending...checking out the hotel accomodations. Will there be a good selection of vendors this year?

VOTR Vendors
 

We have lots of vendors lining up again this year. We'll be posting them on the web site in the near future. Anyone you'd specifically like to see?

Kudos to LGCA! While I always enjoyed heading up to Frisco to check out the Show & Shine and see friends, I think a different venue will generate some renewed interest. And the trip over Berthoud Pass will definitely be more fun than doing I-70. Best of luck to Looking Glass for VOTR 2012!

Apsis, some, one of the exhaust manufacturers, Mid America, Zip, Ecklers, etc...I am used to Carlisle, left West Chester, PA in 2007.

i think it will be a great change to see this ..

I'm just worried about getting e85 on my way there and back :-/

Just checked my schedule, and low and behold I will be home that weekend. I'll definately do what I can do to get up there, have been wanting to go to one of these for a long time. :thumbs:

Registration is open!
 

On-line registration is open for the 2012 Vettes on the Rockies event. So far Registrations are up over last year and the hotel rooms are going fast :hide: so you might want to sign up early!

Go here to check out the event schedule and register.
http://www.lgcacorvette.org/Developm...R2012index.htm

See you in the Rockies!:woohoo:

Already have my hotel reservations for about 6 weeks...am reconsidering attending though due to the judging change at the show. The organizers have gone from independant judges to participants judging??? :willy:

Just made my hotel reservation, I will be just looking around and enjoying the show and the area. Looking forward to the event, my first!!!

won't make it this yr..unless I buy a new vette off the show room floor, they don't know how to judge cars,UNLESS you are a club member :rofl: you will win. like last yr..seeing a couple walking to the awards even before they called their name..go figure.maybe that's why their attends is down and moved to winter park

good luck vette owners.:woohoo:

VOTR Judging
 

So yes, the word is out, the judging will be by the general public this year. We wanted to try something different to attract more interest. We are frequently trying to change things up to keep it fun.

The other BIG NEWS about the Show 'n Shine is that it will be on SATURDAY, August 11. This is a schedule change from the past 15 plus years so don't forget the schedule change.

Registrations are well ahead of last year's pace so don't delay, get registered soon.

BTW, the Vintage Resort Hotel is completely sold out to VOTR attendees. Still lots of lodging at the other venues.

Wait a minute, hold on here...last time I checked the website for the show info it said that the show would be "participant judging" now in your post you are saying the "general public" two entirely different things, which is it? Please calrify.

Participant Judging
 

OOPS! Moving too fast today. Participant Judging it is. Sorry for the confusion.:hide:

Thanks for the calarification.

So what you're saying is LGCA vettes are going to win all the events?

:lurk:

This was also the way it was at a show they had in Longmont a couple years back.. You would not believe what my Supercharged ZO6 got beat out by...

A club members 80K mile stock C5 coupe..

It was comical, insulting, but comical.

:iagree:

save some for me!

I'd love to go out there and see some of the other vettes in the area and go out to the mountains and actually try and show off again this year, but if my custom painted and turbocharged vette is going to lose to a stock car, I dont think I want to waste the e85 and the money

Any way we can get a more "fair" judging system?

I had extensive communications with the event coordinator about judging this year and they decided to change the judging format to "participant" judging. I assume the host clubs cars will be eliminated from participating as they have been the past two years and in previous years. However that will not insulate against different clubs voting for their club members cars. So, theortically, if a club has enough members attending, they could slant the selection to their club members cars. I still do not understand why VOTR have moved away from judging with score sheets. In my opinion, the most fair way to execute a show.

Judging and LGCA winners
 

I'm sorry you have the opinion that LGCA members win so many Show'n Shine awards. I respectfully challenge your perception.

For the past MANY years club member cars have been judged separately from our guests. This will continue in 2012. All participants will judge all cars but LGCA cars will be pulled out as judging sheets are reviewed. Effectively, LGCA cars only compete against other LGCA cars.

Our club members pay full price to register for Vettes on the Rockies so they like to get recognition for their cars like anyone else. We do not want our members cars to distract from all of our guests who travel many miles to join our event.

Make sense? Thanks.

I agree, I have never had a problem with the previous VOTR judging methodolgy: score sheets with independant judges, I have always thought it was very fair and impartial. My problem is with the "new" system; participant judging...this opens the door for all of the things that have been posted on this Thread, annoted in my earlier post. No one in the Looking Glass ORG has provided a good answer as to why the change; except "we wanted to do something different".

I too have spoken with LGCA reps to question the change in judging. I have considered the VOTR show the climax for the year. They have run a superb job in organizing and judging. By far the fairest judged show that I've participated in within Colorado. I think they will regret this change but am willing to still attend and give it a chance.

FYI...one of the worse shows I've attended and will NEVER do again is TORCAs Denver Aquarium show. That was also participant judging and was literally club choices (the club with the most members present wins).

I agree with your comments YGOSLOW. Judged shows, with judging sheets, with host club non-participation are generally the most neutral and fair shows. Participant judging ends up being a popularity contest and the club with the most members ends up with the most winners. I have decided to go this year and participate; bringing both cars...we will see.

We really appreciate all of your comments and it's good to hear specifics about the problems that many have experienced with participant judged shows. Your feedback is giving us some ideas about ways to reduce the "largest club wins the gold" issue.

We had also heard from lots of folks who had experienced this type of judging and thought it was fair and turned out well. We had previously heard complaints from folks who felt the score sheets with independent judges had been problematic as well. Tough to please everyone.

If this doesn't work out as we hope, we'll probably go back for next year. Keep your comments coming. We are listening.

We appreciate your open mindedness on this matter and like a couple of us posted, we will give it a try this year to see if it works out.

More than likely your positive feedback is probably from other club members. For those that are not associated with a club or are "social' club members only (ie. RMCSC) we experience the negative affects of participant judged shows.

Hope Winter Park works out for you guys:thumbs:

Yes, it is a little encouraging that you are posting and seem to be listening...I had a few e-mail exchanges with one of your members that just died. I would be very interested to see what your club comes up with to neutralize the "Club Halo Effect"...it would be great if you could share it with us. As CO YGOSLOW said in his post, this is the one show that I really look forward to every year and I always felt confident that my car would get a fair shake, and it has the last two years I have attended (new to Colorado). Thanks for listening, and I look forward to more info as it develops. :cheers:

Vendor Announcements
 

Some of the vendors for Vettes on the Rockies have been announced. At this time we are expecting:

Goodyear (sponsoring the Autocross)
Mid America Motorworks (sponsoring the Show 'n Shine)
Billy Boat Performance Exhaust
Adam's Premium Care Care
West Coast Corvettes
Spring Mountain
Dragon Pro Street Engineering
Townsend Retirement Specialists (sponsoring the Wine and Cheese)
APsis USA INC.
Associated Photographics
and of course our long time club supporter: Purifoy Chevrolet

We are expecting Purifoy and GM to bring several special cars again for display and review. We also expect a couple representatives from the GM Corvette group to be on hand.

The legal folks tell me I have to say that the aforementioned names could change at any time without notice. :D

Hey, that is great, good selection:thumbs:

Back to our favorite subject of the past few posts. Something to consider about the "participant judging". How are you going to cover the effect of having all of the cars mixed together? In the past, with judging sheets and classes, the competion was relatively fair, segregating modfied, years, etc. In perticipant judging, without a scoring sheet to tally and then awarding on points scored and the "street presence" category, you will have to have all of the cars displayed by class/year/category, otherwise the participants will have a problem comparing cars in the same class if they are scattered all over the place. It is not much of an issue with 30 or 40 cars, but when you have the hundreds that this show will draw, the cars will have to be grouped by year and judging category...think about it.

Actually we have given that some thought. :toetap: Because the car show will be in the large parking lot at the entrance to Winter Park Village we are going to park by class and the team responsible for that is currently working on the layout. At Frisco we were never able to figure out how to separate the cars by class and still get them down Main Street into their specific spaces without causing traffic jams. In this big lot however we will be able to do that and if we get a large group at once that jams the entry road there is room in the lot to stage cars until we can get them all into position.

First adventure for most of us in the art of parking a bunch of cars in a big lot rather than just lining cars up first come first serve down the street. Should be interesting and fun!!:cheers: Come on up early and you can watch the action. You might even get recruited to help.:hide:

The wife and I just registered both cars, we will be there Thursday evening through Sunday...see you there. :thumbs:

Thanks for registering!
 

Thanks for registering Too-Fast. We are looking forward to trying out Winter Park. Folks up there are very happy to have us and since we apparently wore out our welcome in Summit County it is fun to be working with folks who truly want Corvette folks around.

When you get up there look me up. Ask the girls at Registration for Steve C. They will know where to find me. Would love to chat with you some more about your earlier emails concerning the judging and give you some insight as to why we are where we are so to speak. Might even recruit you for the 2013 event.:thumbs:

OK Steve, will do...I sent you a PM the other night...when you get a chance, thanks.

VOTR Registration
 

You've got to be kidding!
$190 bucks a couple to register and this Does Not include the Thursday night Welcome Party? Seems kinda steep for a car show and a Rally...
What exactly are we paying for? We just completed our 5th annual show, Corvettes for a Cause and for $95 a couple, it included a dinner at the welcome party, free beer and wine, Car Show, Funkana and a poker Run. Plus a free concert on Sat. Night.
Your big National events with your high price registration fees are keeping hundreds of Vettes from attending. Soooo-
What can I expect to recieve for my $190 Bucks?

why not have a LGCA only awards and then have a participant only awards..then you have no one getting burned..and everyone has a great time

Eureka Springs has the same type judging, but they have incorporated a system that helps eliminate the large clubs from tilting the scale. You might check what they do. It would not be a problem to add their system at any date.

Unfortunately Colorado is suffering from a very hot and dry summer already. This is on the heals of a mild winter with much lower than average snow fall and a very dry, hot spring. These conditions have contributed to several fires in the Colorado Rockies. Many 10s of thousands of acres and hundreds of homes have been lost to these fires.

All is NOT doom and gloom however. Vettes on the Rockies is getting close and none of the fires threaten our new venue inWinter Park. We hope you'll still plan to join us for one of the great Corvette events of the year.
August 9-12, Winter Park, CO. LGCACorvette.org

Wife and I are still planning to attend Thurs. nite through Sun. morning. :thumbs:

Wife and I registered a couple of months ago. Really looking forward to going; always a good time! Might have to take a side trip up through Rocky Mountain National Park over Trail Ridge Road.
1:cool:60

VOTR Registration
 

Check out the website http://www.lgcacorvette.org/Developm...troduction.htm for everything included in the registration fee but the biggest thing you are missing in your narrative above is the Saturday night BBQ and the Sunday morning Continental Breakfast, which are included in the cost. These two items are actually more than half the $95 per person cost for the event!

And to answer your question about why the Thursday evening event is not in the registration cost this has been removed from the cost of the event and added to the ala carte items because of the number of people who have in the past pointed out to us that they were required to pay a full registration fee, even if they could not arrive untill Friday evening or Saturday morning. So we made that activity optional so only those who for sure will be there on Thursday evening will be paying for the event.

VOTR Show 'n Shine
 

BIG CHANGES are in store for the Show 'n Shine for the 39th Vettes on the Rockies.
First, the event will be on SATURDAY, August 11. This change was made for our many guests who travel significant distances and wanted a few extra hours for the trip home. Please pass the word to anyone you know who participates from Colorado and may be planning on participating for just this event.
And, as many of you have already heard, we will have participant judging for the Show 'n Shine this year at Vettes on the Rockies. This was actually a request from past attendees and we decided to try it. Each participant registered in the Show 'n Shine will receive a ballot with spaces for entering the car number of their favorite cars in each category. The number of cars entered in each category will determine the number of awards for that category keeping the awards proportional to the number of cars. LGCA club member cars will NOT be in competition with non-LGCA cars and will be judged separately.

We listen to our attendees every year about new suggestions that will keep Vettes on the Rockies fresh and interesting. We have heard from people who already dislike the idea of participant judging but we had also heard from many who suggested the idea. We believe all of our attendees have a voice and we only want everyone to enjoy their visit to Colorful Colorado and the majestic Rocky Mountains.

I'll be there! Can't wait to see beautiful Colorado - burned or not. I'm looking forward to attending, driving my car in the mountains, meeting new people, taking lots of pictures and videos, supporting the charity (that's really what it's all about, right?) and just having some fun shopping and visiting. See y'all in a few weeks!!:woohoo:

We'll be coming out from Iowa......I don't really need another plaque or plastic dust collector......don't care if they used a group of nuns to do the judging.....just going to chill out and have fun..........:thumbs:

:QUOTE=SSWEET;1581315514]We'll be coming out from Iowa......I don't really need another plaque or plastic dust collector......don't care if they used a group of nuns to do the judging.....just going to chill out and have fun..........:thumbs:[/QUOTE]

:iagree:
I like your attitude lets just have some vette fun.

Texas will be represented!
 

We are looking forward to it too! It will be our second time to attend.

Approximately 35-40 cars are heading up from the Lone Star Corvette Club (Dallas/Ft. Worth) in several caravans.

Polished the car this past weekend and it is almost ready to go. I have a few more things on my checklist to complete in the next couple of weeks though.

Looking forward to some :cool: weather and to meet our Coloradian Corvette bretheren! :thumbs:

Drive safely and slowly through Empire
 

For most folks attending Vettes on the Rockies you up I-70 to US 40 and over Berthoud Pass. It is a very pretty drive and a good road.

As soon as you exit I 70 and join 40 you will go throu a great funky town called Empire. WATCH YOUR SPEED! The constables in Empire have a reputation for stopping anyone even just slightly over the speed limit. The speed limit drops to 45, and then 35 very shortly after the exit.

On the positive side there are a couple of fun ice cream stops. The Dairy King is ok but my favorite is Mike' Sweet Shoppe on the left side as you get into Empire. Also of note is the Peck House. Peck house is a funky old hotel, supposedly haunted. Fun place to stay if you are into those kinds of things.

Enjoy the drive and be sure to keep the rubber side down.

VOTR Daily Schedule
 

Is there a published schedule you can share for each day of VOTR? I have been on the LG site and it shows the activities each day, but not the scheduled times. Thanks.

If pre-reg for the car show what location and times can I pickup the package on Friday?

ttt...hello???

:lurk:

ALBab are you there?

Schedule
 

Sorry or the delay. Here is a schedule of events.


Calendar of Events
Thursday, August 9
​Registration Opens 1 PM
​Welcome Reception 5 PM
*
Friday, August 10
​Autocross Tech 6 -8 AM
​Autocross 8 AM – 2 PM
​Road Rally (Departs) 10 AM – noon
​Wine & Cheese Social 7 – 9 PM
​
Saturday, August 11
​Show ‘n Shine Staging 8 – 9:30 AM
​Show ‘n Shine 10 AM – 2 PM
​BBQ dinner 6 PM
*
Sunday, August 12
Farewell Continental Breakfast 7 – 9 AM

Thanks for the reply :D

AlBab...still looking for a response.

I will be parking my car with Callaway up there on Saturday.
I know online registration is closed and I can register when I get up there but is there anything I need to do in advance?

ttt...help?

sorry, been traveling for business. you can get the package from the registration table. Registration is open from 7 to 5 on Friday, or 1 to 4:30 on Thursday if you are there that early.

hope that helps.

What if we aren't coming up until Saturday morning?

Leaving in a half hour to head up to Winter Park :woohoo:

Albab,

Thx for the response, I travel quite a bit myself and totally understand. Stop by and say hi at the car show, red c5 modded vert with YGOSLOW plates.

Take care...Dave

SU Vette,

In the past, at Frisco, they would have a table set up prior to entering the show area where u could pull off and pick up your packet.

Good luck

Any groups meeting to cruise up on sat.a.m. that I can tag along with?

There's 5-6 of us heading up at 8am from Loveland. :thumbs:

Lookin' forward to it!!!

303-748-5915

Nelson. :flag:

Text sent. :cheers:

Robert

Was nice meeting you today. Congrats on your awards!! :)

Nice meeting u as well and thanks. Show was great except for the 1100 down pour. I guess I shouldn't have complained about the participant choice judging in earlier posts. It turned out pretty favorable for me and our dinky unofficial club.

Out of curiousity, how did this show compare to those in the past?

On the car show...Winter Park's setup would limit you to the capacity of the parking lot. With Frisco there was room for expansion. Parking by categories is always a plus, easier for judging and to know who's in your class. I vented quite a bit in earlier posts about the show going to Participant Judging. I was not a fan of them changing, and even though I did suprisingly well, I would much rather prefer judges with scoring sheets as they have done in the past. Everybody was guilty of voting for their friends cars and when the showers hit, after cleaning the cars a second time we were all rushed to finish judging. In fact I didn't get finished filling in all categories. It seemed like they still gave out a bunch of awards.

There's alot of mixed reactions about Breck vs Winter Park. Shopping, dining and cruising was better in Breck/Frisco. Condo's, underground parking and the village area was nice and kept people together.

Hope this helps...Dave

Appreciate your input, and congrats on another plaque.

From a car guy perspective, it seemed like little more than another car show held in a parking lot. Aside from the cars themselves, the wow or "cool" factor didn't seem to be there. But, car guys don't need that as the cars themselves tend to suffice. I was really surprised to see just a couple of vendors there as well.

From a spectator perspective, it couldn't hold a flame to shutting down a street that was lined with restaurants, hotels and shopping for the gals.

I may be wrong, but I think there are more rounded places such a long-term large event could secure than a parking lot at the one hotel in the area. I viewd Vettes on the Rockies as kind of a prestigious Vette show and walked away (loving the cars) but the rest of it was pretty boring.

Would agree it didn't have the same appeal as years past. Winter Park in a parking lot was not what I was expecting. It was a nice drive and other than the rain it was still a good day. Like breckenridge, frisco better.

I had a great time again. :cheers:

Both locations have plus and minuses.

At WP I liked how everything was "close" without having to go 20 min here or there for the different sub-events (autoX and show).

I also could have done without the rain :)

As for "shops", I took the gondola back into the village for lunch. I never did buy anything while walking main street in Frisco, so I don't think I missed out on anything due to the move.

I'm sure with next year being the 40th year, and now that people see that WP is a viable location, next year will be even bigger, and there will be more venders.

See everyone next year at WP for VOTR!

OK, so here goes...the LGCA folks are terrific, special kudos to Steve C. They accomodated my wife and I having our cars together and that was great.

I really liked the hotel accomodations and parking set up (covered garages) a great place to work on the cars.

The venue was really nice also, I liked being able to eat and drink without having to drive. The restaurants were all good and the grounds were beautiful.

I did not like the Participant judging...what I predicted would happen did happen. There was not enough time to judge all of the cars. The 39 cars from Texas garnered an unusual amount of awards (go figure). I would like to see LGCA reconsider and go back to judging next year.

The picture of all the cars needs to be redone...what was presented was terrible, you could not make out any of the cars except the first line and they were very small, someone suggested a video done at ground level.

The Rally was OK, but I would like to see us driving more off 40 and into the hills, back, scenic roads with more emphasis on following driving instructions...just my perspective.

Final verdict, if they go with the old style judging, Lee and I will be back next year. Way to go LGCA...a great weekend overall.

I'm glad I went but I probably won't go again. I didn't like the accommodations. No convenient ice machines. I had to walk all the way around the building to get to my room from the garage. With no help for luggage, that sucked. And, no a/c in the room. I'm sorry, I'm from Texas - I use a/c even when it's 70 outside.

The show was ok but really it was just people's choice for everyone and a whole bunch of winners in most classes. And how did they class the cars anyway?

Town for the women is not as good as Breckenridge. Way more shopping there and things to do. Honestly, my 3 days in Durango, Silverton and then the drive up to Winter Park were the best days of driving for me.

I was also disappointed in the local they chose for the photoshoot. It was very boring.

I was disappointed. That's my two cents.

I still had a great time driving the Z on those mountain roads though.

LisasZR1 has hit the nail right on the head. Should have stayed in Eagle or Summit county. Winter Park offers very little, if any, fine dining or upscale shopping. No attractions to speak of. Trail Ridge Road in Rocky Mountain National Park is about it. Too bad they have committed to 2013 for another VOTR.

2013 votr
 

I attended VOTR this year 2013. I was only going to participate in the car show but decided to stay 2 nights and check out this first time event for me. I understand last year was a People's Choice, and lots weren't happy about it. Peoples Choice is a toss up any way with favoritisium, and ballot box stuffing, but this year was different. It was a judged show, with LGCA participants having their cars judged separately for separate awards. Winter Park local volunteers were used as judges aided by LGCA folks. I've put my 2012 Torch Red Grand Sport in many Concour shows where the judging is really tight. This was a Show N Shin level car show. They had score sheet that the judges were to work from. They had a judges instruction meeting prior to the judging beginning. The parking by class was written on you registration card and I found the parking by class fool proof.....a great job. I was in the F Class which was called the performance class, Grand Sports, Z06s and ZR1s. Base C6s had their own class. If I had a question it would have been why was the C5 Z06 in this prodominately C6 Class. They said it was because it was a performance class car. In hinsight it probably was ok. The checklist and scoring instruction were based on condition and cleanliness, so a un-prepared ZR1 could loose to a super clean and fresh C5 Z06. Additionally the score card had a "Tie Breaker", so when they inspected your car they also gave you a number. Personally I thought LGCA did a great job with the show, judging and awards! In addition to 1st-3rd in each class they also had finalist awards. Size of the Class determined how many finalist awards. In my F Class I think there was 5 finalist awards for a total of 8 awards. These comments are coming from someone who didn't get an award. Ours was a large class with several inspection teams. Unfortunately one team was over zealous and only inspected about 6 cars. What is the probability of 6 C6 Grand Sports, Z06s or ZR1s inspected by the same team, at a show like this, not scoring above 90 out of a possible 110 points? The female was using a white rag to check for dust and the male pull out a telescoping mirror to look below the top of the engine. Clearly this team didn't have a clue. I shared this with the LGCA car show chairman. He acqknowledged that mine was not the only complaint and it would be fixed next year. That was fine with me. I'm sure well all have our share of trophies anyway and it was a great time. Harlan Charles, Corvette Production Marketing Manager was there and I got him to autograph my 7 Corvette Generation poster that will hang in my garage. They had a C7 coupe and convertibe there that you could sit in and have someone take your picture. I also attended the dinner which had great food and a presentation on the C7 that answered any question that you could imagine.............So for the cost, I'm only a show guy so I paid $30 for the car show entry and my gas and two night stay. I met a lot of nice people, I respect the challenge of a large event like this and I tip my hat the the members of LGCA. I'll be there next year!
God Bless,
rick